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Tagon · Dec 12, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

you guys are just shy basement dweller gamers arent you?

Yes well I am.

As to the OP I am not a big fan of VOIP software but when I do join most groups don't care if you just listen in that is what I always do.

Red-Tide · Dec 12, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I personally cant stand voiceCom's. I have been using them for years in different games (CS, COD, MoH, UT, GW etc...) but I find they drive me nuts. Maybe I have a low tolerance for immature behaviour, but I always seem to get off a TS session feeling like I want to kill some one. Usually, in say a 8 man ToPK group I would have 6 other players who were great but there was always that 1 that 15 minutes in, your wishing you could boot him but don't want the hassle of finding yet another player.

I try to restrict TS/Vent to people I know now as I find getting on with strangers to be annoying at best. I even had one guy give me a religious sermon for my use of the word "god" after we got owned!!!!! Its crap like that that makes TS/Vent a serious annoyance.

All that said, it can be very useful provided you get a decent mature group.

/end rant

Vandal2k6 · Dec 12, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

If we didn't have voice comms, how could I fart down the mic and make all my friends laugh so heartily, therefore putting them in a good mood, which turns on their ladies, which in turn leads to you-know-what, which in turn leads to more babies.

So, voice comms is keeping the population of this planet on a steady keel.

LONG LIVE JEBUS ... I mean VOICE COMMS!

Now, where'd I put my cigs?

Pandora's box · Dec 13, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Don't get me wrong: teamspeak programs are common use these days. Even in small 2 player teams. Yet I think it would be wrong IF a game (including bonus levels) could only be completed by using it. And that's open to debate.

Grais · Dec 13, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Vent lets you do a lot of things that you'd be unable to do with text chat.

This is a statement I hear all the time in regards to voice comms, what exactly can Vent or TS help you accomplish.
Ive used it many times in fact, not much in GW's, the only thing I ever found VC's to do for sure was give some jack ass, armchair general a forum to spout his views and seldom, never actually that I recall, has it ever enhanced the gaming experience.
If the actual experience of using them was better I might feel different, but the reproduction of the voices is so piss poor, I dont want to hear that crap, crackling mics, pops, pings, squeels of mic feedback, sorry no thanks. Add on top of that all the people who I do not want to converse with for whatever multitude of reasons.
Now I'm sure a lot of you feel different, but basically if the group feels the need for VC's(in a PVE setting mind you, I dont do a lot of PVP, I'm talking PVE here),that is a clear sign that there are problems brewing, if the players are not confident in their ability to accomplish said task without the aid of some third rate voice com, right there is a clear sign to me to look elsewhere.
But still there are going to people who want to use it, and those who dont, hopefully theres enough of both camp too make everyone happy.

death fuzzy · Dec 13, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Micromaster

Don't worry, vent/ts won't bite you.

I wouldn't want you on vent either - if you have one of those squeaky voices. (Age 10 type)

Oh god. I quit my old guild after I found out that a majority of them were all 10-12 years old.

That and they were extremely immature.

Ever heard a squeeker get pissed off?

Yawgmoth · Dec 13, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

I find DoA groups using voice comm to be much more successfull than those not using it. And if i can choose i always join those that use it, no reason not to. Just like in PvP this gives major advantages, much easier to lead a group, to explain the plan, to tell quick about important things... Even if only the group leader speaks and the rest listens it works very fine.

Vandal2k6 · Dec 13, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

A guildy of mine can't type for toffee. So VCs are a God send on this occasion. Each to their own I say. Group hug?

eudas · Dec 15, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

actually, to the people who use voice comms because they suck at typing: i'm sorry, but learn to freakin' type. learn to type as if your life depended on it, because in this game, IT DOES.

yes, voice commo's are convenient. yes, they let you communicate faster. NO, DON'T TURN ON VOICE COMMO AND PROCEED TO IGNORE THE SHIT OUT OF THE CHAT BOX. lots of important info pops up there. READ IT.

the above is what people mean when they call voice commo's a crutch, btw.

eudas

fatmouse · Dec 16, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by eudas

actually, to the people who use voice comms because they suck at typing: i'm sorry, but learn to freakin' type. learn to type as if your life depended on it, because in this game, IT DOES.

yes, voice commo's are convenient. yes, they let you communicate faster. NO, DON'T TURN ON VOICE COMMO AND PROCEED TO IGNORE THE SHIT OUT OF THE CHAT BOX. lots of important info pops up there. READ IT.

the above is what people mean when they call voice commo's a crutch, btw.

eudas

People hear as you speak. What's the time between you starting to type and everybody reading what you wrote? I'll give you a clue: it's longer than voip.

Mister Overhill · Dec 16, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Cow Tale

HOW ARE ALL THE DUDES PRETENDING TO BE CHICKS SUPPSOED TO PLAY IF THEY USE VOICE CHAT? that would totaly show them for the cross dressing transexuals that we all know they are

Hah!! Out of ten toons, I've got a couple of girls in there myself, including the new monk I just built for Nightfall. Yeah, me, the old married dude (37 years

) with all the kids and grandkids -- half of them in Guild Wars. If every "girl" in the game was REALLY a girl, she would be molested in town before she could take five steps, and the place would look like an army post.

Sir Vengence VI · Dec 16, 2006, 04:56 AM // 04:56

TS/Vent FTW

foxworthy21 · Mar 11, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Mister Overhill

Hah!! Out of ten toons, I've got a couple of girls in there myself, including the new monk I just built for Nightfall. Yeah, me, the old married dude (37 years

) with all the kids and grandkids -- half of them in Guild Wars. If every "girl" in the game was REALLY a girl, she would be molested in town before she could take five steps, and the place would look like an army post.

ROFL

funniest thing I read all day. I've known someone that pretended to be a girl on another MMO for 3 years+. He/She/It got itself a boyfriend that got it free gifts and gold. Pretty sad really. The dude finally caved in at the end after pressure from his clan from not using TS/Vent and maybe from his own guilt of "e-dating" that other guy and shit really hit the fan pronto. Long story short he at least gave back all his godly gear and gold to that guy before he quit the game.

CassiusDrehyg · Mar 11, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

I wouldn't ever PvE, even in simplistic missions with a team that doesn't plan on using Ventrilo. It's far easier to speak to someone than to type text. If you plan on playing without the intrusion of morons, use a private channel, even though I have the advantage of owning a Ventrilo server, thus giving me the ability to boot morons out at will. Typing text just delays you. A monster won't say sorry for killing you while you type text.

I hate PvE.

Cymmina · Mar 11, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

2. Chicks are rarely hit on the game. Why? Because the same testosterone fuel that makes men horny is the same hormone that prevents their ego from being damaged by looking foolish by making comments to female players as if you never seen a chick before. It is like in real life - what percentage of men do you know make a vulgar statement to ever passing female? Much lower that don't.

Are you a girl? Do you know girls who play? I can tell you plenty of horror stories (across almost 10 years of gaming) about people who have said things to either my female avatar without knowing my actual gender or by people who have in fact known my actual gender. From requests for blowjobs to people chasing me around and essentially performing virtual rape. Maybe it doesn't happen because Guild Wars is magical and everyone is mature enough not to do that kind of crap, but I would rather not risk receiving that kind of attention.

And yes, I've had catcalls and other vulgar comments directed my way in real life, too.

That said, with the release of Nightfall, I'm able to play with just my family sitting next to me and our 6 heroes. Do we talk often once we've entered missions? No. If we fail, we go back to town and discuss how we can do things differently. Then we try again, with little spoken conversation. Between us, we have several "Protector" titles for our characters.

Maybe "extreme" areas like DoA do require voice communication, but I can assure you, nowhere else in PvE does. In PvP? Yeah, it's the easiest way to coordinate in complex situations where you can't just learn the patrol patterns or know each and every skill used.

Like one of the previous posters, I have difficulty deciphering spoken words (even though my hearing is pretty good). Compound this with accents from around the world, the quiet/insecure speakers, people who talk through their nose and breathe into the mic while eating Cheetos, and the slurred speech of someone who is drunk... how is this making things easier for me? I'm better at reading than I am at listening.

floppinghog · Mar 11, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Rera

Voicecom isn't necessary if you can guarantee that everyone you're playing with is intelligent and experienced. PvE voicecom in an all-friends/guild group is mostly for socializing. PvE voicecom in a PuG is mostly for keeping everyone in line and yelling at people when they screw up.

To be frank, voicecom benefits less-experienced players the most. Without voicecom, a bad player who doesn't know what they are doing will simply be kicked from the party. With vent, you have people giving directions and calling tactics, so as long as you're willing to listen, the experienced players are more likely to put up with you. The end result is that you finish the mission/quest and probably learn a great deal also.

Good post. This pretty much sums up the truth of voice chat in pve.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 11, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

To the OP:

Voice Communication in online games is going to happen. It's the future, the rational, understandable and much anticipated future.

You may as well complain that computers are 'increasingly' using graphical user interfaces instead of the command line.

Teamspeak, and to a slightly lesser extent, Ventrilo, are very easy to use, have exceptionally low bandwidth/computer requirements and these apps bring a whole new dimension to online gaming.

In Guild Wars, it is very awkward to communicate to team mates during a PvE battle. I, personally, find shift-clicking skill slots and targets to be very clunky and a big "spam noise" producer. Information gets lost in the chat box. And why would I want the chat box taking up screen real estate?

Additionally, voice comm. makes for better working guilds.

Edge Martinez · Mar 11, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

To the OP, I only get on comms with my guildies, so basically just do what makes you comfortable and enjoy the game.

Personette · Mar 12, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

Are you a girl? Do you know girls who play? I can tell you plenty of horror stories (across almost 10 years of gaming) about people who have said things to either my female avatar without knowing my actual gender or by people who have in fact known my actual gender. From requests for blowjobs to people chasing me around and essentially performing virtual rape. Maybe it doesn't happen because Guild Wars is magical and everyone is mature enough not to do that kind of crap, but I would rather not risk receiving that kind of attention.

And yes, I've had catcalls and other vulgar comments directed my way in real life, too.

This sort of thing is meant to frighten and intimidate - and it sounds like you make a good target because you have exactly the right reaction. This isn't a blame the victim thing; just that there is a solution, if you don't like being pestered learn how to throw up walls early or ignore it.

Most men like to hunt women. Most women like to be hunted. Stop the cycle before it starts if you're not interested.

Personally, I like the spying aspect. All my avatars are women, but all players are naturally assumed to be men, and I'm always interested in what men say when they don't think there are women listening.

On the other hand, I have no interest in hearing anyone's voice. The less you know about a random stranger the less there is to dislike, and IMHO that's the secret to happiness in a game like GW.

tomcruisejr · Mar 12, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Using Ventrilo/TS is only disadvantageous to a guy who is claiming to be a sexy hot chick and asking horny people for crystallines and ectos.

Voice communication helps a lot in avoiding errors that a team may commit and making sure that the goals of the teams are met, whether it's in PvP or PvE.